D.K.: How and when did you decide to establish a new political party? How was the name “Alternative for Sweden” chosen? Do you have influences or cooperation with “Alternative für Deutschland”? What are AfS views on geopolitics and possible regional cooperation?
G.K.: After we were expelled from the Sweden Democrats in 2015, we saw the party become more and more liberal in the following years. It was as if they abandoned their most important topics in order to be accepted by the establishment. We simply did not feel that they were performing good enough as the only opposition party. So we decided that we would form a new party with topics that the Sweden Democrats did not speak about any more, such as proposing a complete stop for asylum immigration and their families in combination with a repatriation program of immigrants who misbehave and who do not live in harmony with our Swedish society. We also propose a drained political swamp in Sweden through several different actions, in order to restore democracy and bring back power to the people. In addition to that, we propose lower taxes, getting out of the EU, tougher punishment for crimes, a stronger army, more discipline and knowledge based focus in school and other questions where we believe there is big support among the Swedish people but where the ruling parties have no credibility at all. I have had informal contact with different representatives of AfD, and I speak fluent German which makes it easier. I have also had good cooperation with many other nationalist parties in Europe, such as Estonian EKRE. I believe European cooperation is very important. We are the only Swedish party to cooperate with other European nationalist parties.
D.K.: What are the main political goals of AfS and the main challenges of nationalists in Sweden?
G.K.: Our primary goal is to enter parliament and gain real influence in Swedish politics. If Sweden does not stop immigration and launch a repatriation program, a Swedish Sweden will cease to exist. Sweden as we know it will be gone, turned into a country more resembling a dysfunctional Middle East or African country where Swedes are just a minority.
Getting into the parliament is difficult for a new political party, and we did not manage to do it in our first election in 2018. For the Sweden Democrats, it took 22 years to enter parliament. We will likely do it much faster since we grow much faster than the Sweden Democrats did when they were a new party. But it shows that things can take time when you are a new opposition party.
The main challenge is that the establishment is trying to silence everything we do. It is a political strategy by them never to write about us. If they indeed feel they have to write about us, they will call us all kinds of stupid things, but many Swedes can see through those lies, so the media prefers not to write about us at all. Not even when I went to Estonia to meet Marine Le Pen, Lega and other prominent nationalist politicians did they write a single word about it, even though it should have been big news.
Sweden has a strong nationalist community as well as strong alternative media. Still, nationalists have failed to get influence. The Sweden Democrats has been marginalized in parliament ever since they entered in 2010, and has had no real influence on immigration policy or other policies due to the “cordon sanitaire”. This, I would say, is the biggest challenge for nationalists in Sweden. We need influence, because we do not have an unlimited amount of time to save our country. The situation is already urgent.
D.K.: In Latvia, liberals tend to attack anyone on the right side as being “a putinist” or Kremlin agent. In fact, we indeed still have a lot of pro-Kremlin politicians and activists mostly among Soviet time immigrants. Latvian liberals try to widen this term to also include Latvian nationalists and conservatives. Are you confronted with something similar to this in your country?
G.K.: Yes, mainstream media always accuse us of that, of course without any evidence that we would indeed be “putinist”. Our only obligation is towards Sweden and the Swedish people, which you can’t really say about the other parties and the media who seem to be fighting for all countries and peoples except for Sweden and the Swedes. My opinion is that Sweden benefits by having good relations with all countries, but we must always put the interest of our own country first when it comes to foreign policy. The Russia narrative is just a continuation of the “racist” and “xenophobe” nickname that everyone is so fed up with. I guess they are inspired by US media who have been completely obsessed using the fake Russian narrative against Trump.
D.K.: Sweden is (in)famous as the stronghold of the political correctness, which in some cases goes really orwellian. Can you tell more about this problem? How is it manifested in everyday life?
G.K.: It affects everything. There has never been an open and honest discussion in Sweden about immigration. The establishment has silenced everyone who was critical. A majority of the people was always critical of the immigration, but the politicians did not care about it. And now Sweden is in a complete mess, due to the immigration experiment that the politicians forced upon us. Still today, Swedish comedians, politicians and journalists keep claiming that “Sweden has never been safer”. But most people feel angry and sad that it went this far, with violence and a welfare system in collapse. I believe this political correctness has created, and will continue to create, big recoil effects. When people see their own towns and cities taken over by immigrants, while politicians keep denying that there would be any problems with it, the people have the right to get angry and to hold the politicians responsible Currently, the debate is going in the right direction, and politicians are slowly trying to go away from the most crazy ideas of mass immigration. But it will not be enough. Many Swedes have forever lost their trust in mainstream politicians who created all these problems and who now claim that you should vote for them again. Despite the major problems our country battles, it will be very interesting to see how the situation develops.
D.K.: What do Swedish demographics currently look like? Are there any hopes of keeping Sweden Swedish in the long term? Outwardly, it seems, that the current processes are pointing in the opposite direction.
G.K.: No, there is no hope to keep Sweden Swedish– if we do not start repatriation. Yes, there is hope to keep Sweden Swedish – if we start repatriation. If we do, Sweden will be just as Swedish in the future as it was up until a few decades ago. But today, our part of the population is ever shrinking and no political party in the parliament even talks about it, not even the Sweden Democrats who refuse to talk about this due to political correctness and out of fear that they would risk losing a potential future cooperation with the mainstream parties.
D.K.: Among nationalists, Sweden is known as one of those countries, where it is quite dangerous to openly be a nationalist. How do you deal with that in your own life?
G.K.: It can be risky in different ways. Of course it’s partly about violence from left wing groups. A few months ago, one of our representatives got his house door blown up by left wing extremists. His kids were home. It was a miracle that no one were seriously hurt. Luckily, the left wing extremists are becoming weaker and weaker generally, compared to how it was 10 to 15 years ago. But it’s also about other risks, such as losing career opportunities or being harassed by mainstream media. They have gone home to many people with cameras in order to sabotage their lives. There are also risks from the state, which is now trying to charge more and more people for “hate speech”. Left-wing groups scan social media for any “inappropriate” language about immigration and then the state takes care of the prosecution process. Last year, over 500 people were prosecuted for “hate speech”. These are ordinary citizens without any political power, who are just very frustrated about the situation. Even I was reported directly by the police a few weeks ago, after I said that criminal immigrants must be sent back to their countries. I have not heard if I am getting prosecuted or not yet.
Still, I must say that the risks were probably much higher 10 or 20 years ago when the nationalist community was smaller and the Sweden Democrats were not in parliament. While I am critical of the party’s current performance, I also admit that their entering of the parliament was a good thing for Sweden and I fought hard for the party for many years. Today, with social media, we have a big gathering and our community is strong. More and more Swedes give up political correctness. Alternative media is an important platform as well, which is exceptionally strong in Sweden due to the political correctness. So while there are risks of being a nationalist, there are also many good people out there to support you if you get into trouble. Compared to how it was 15 years ago when I first became politically active, our movement is way stronger today.